Talk:Schizoaffective disorder

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seasonal affective disorderTalon grey (talk)talon grey —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

• Agreed. Major blunder. Also, Social Anxiety Disorder. – Just passing through, 21:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Current infobox image

With a heavy heart, I ask why the painting File:Courtyard with Lunatics by Goya 1794.jpg is being used in the infobox. OK, it's a good painting, it's copyright free and it is on Commons, but it has nothing to do with schizoaffective disorder. Now wait for some people to turn up and say that we *must* have it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

It is relevant. If you can find a better one let's talk. QuackGuru (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

And the prize for deciding that we *must* have this image despite its lack of WP:PERTINENCE goes to the aptly named QuackGuru, who reverted twice.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:34, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Of course the image is relevant. They ae acting abnormal in the painting. I thought one of them was looking at me. Kind of scary! QuackGuru (talk) 06:40, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

That is such a thin argument. "They are acting abnormal". Is that the best you can come up with?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:42, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

See Wikipedia's Yard with Lunatics: "Some historians speculate that Goya's symptoms may indicate prolonged viral encephalitis; and the mixture of tinnitus, imbalance and progressive deafness may be symptoms of Ménière's disease. Others claim that he was suffering from mental illness. However, these attempts at posthumous diagnosis are purely, and only, speculative and hypothetical. Goya's diagnosis remains unknown. What is known, is that he lived in fear of insanity, and projected his fears and despair into his work." Freaky! QuackGuru (talk) 06:45, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Most of this source highlights the clear problem with the lack of WP:PERTINENCE and MOS:IMAGELEAD compliance. In particular, "Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see. Lead images are not required, and not having a lead image may be the best solution if there is no easy representation of the topic" Neither of these policies requires the infobox image to be freaky.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

See "Ome medical writers have favored the diagnosis of syphilis, some consider the possibility of an exogenous psychosis, and other suggests that the symptoms of the illness are more congruent with heavy metal poisoning, particulary lead."[1] What he had did affect is mind. QuackGuru (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Just saw this in my watchlist. Consensus still stands from the above discussion: please stop being disruptive QuackGuru. Why was this image restored on 6 Sept by Doc James without an edit summary? ‑‑Yodin^T 14:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, it's out of the article at the moment and I would be amazed by anyone who would go to the wall to have this very clearly off topic image in the infobox.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:19, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

There is an awareness ribbon for SAD we could use.[2] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Contributions to the page for a school assignment

I have been assigned to edit an article of my choice for my Psychology Capstone course. I chose the article "Schizoaffective Disorder" mainly because I did not know much information on the topic, because it was a class C article, and because I have a family member diagnosed with SAD. I would really like to contribute to the "signs and symptoms" portion of the article; I feel this is what most people use wikipedia for, to see what the diagnosis really entails. I would also like to contribute a bit to the "causes" heading, but instead of adding much more information, I believe it could be presented in a slightly clearer way; I would reword some sentences and maybe add a small bit of information. The main section I would like to contribute on is "treatment." The first statement in the section states that "Few medications are approved specifically for schizoaffective disorder." However, my family member that has been diagnosed with SAD is so heavily medicated to suppress her symptoms that other family members say she is nothing like the person she used to be. I believe this section could use some enlightenment on not only the available options, but also side affects of different combinations of meds. I love that other options for treatment, like therapy, have been included and have a lot of detail.

Sources I plan to use include:

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/schizoaffective-disorder

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/schizoaffective-disorder

https://www.everydayhealth.com/schizophrenia/guide/schizoaffective/

Thanks, Madihuddleston (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Concerns about this article...

• Please don't take this the wrong way, but reading this article and Talk section serves as a good reminder that there are some articles that ought to be curated especially well (that is, some articles on particular/specific mental disorders). This should read like a reference, not a WebMD or psych forum, shouldn't it? Has anyone considered turning some of these pages into semi-protected pages? Speaking as someone with an education in psych, I'd highly recommend you consider it. I'm not saying this to insult anyone or hurt anyone's feelings, but it could be harmful or damaging (yes, I am aware some people consider the psych field to be damaging at times too, but I'm not suggesting Freudians take over the joint)... :/ – Just a concerned reader @ 21:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC) 65.88.88.156 (talk) 21:18, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Misdiagnosis of schizophreniform disorder as schizoaffective disorder

According to the introduction to this article at present: "Schizoaffective disorder can often be misdiagnosed when the correct diagnosis may be psychotic depression, bipolar I disorder, schizophreniform disorder, or schizophrenia."

Psychotic depression: misdiagnosis is a result of presuming that psychotic symptoms are present outside of a major depressive episode when in fact they are not. Bipolar I is similar, but with major depressive or manic episodes.

Schizophrenia: misdiagnosis is a result of considering major mood episodes to be ongoing for more of the period of illness than is accurate. This may be done by underestimating how long the period of remission is (particularly if it consists mostly of negative symptoms) or by misidentifying heavy presence of negative symptoms as a major depressive episode.

But schizophreniform disorder? It is not clear to me how someone with schizophreniform disorder would be misdiagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. An episode involving both affective and nonaffective psychoses is on its own sufficient for the schizoaffective disorder diagnosis to be correct, as long as the time restrictions (nonaffective psychosis for at least 2 weeks; affective psychosis predominant) are respected.

Furthermore, while I have no source (and as such am not editing the article, only the talk page) schizoaffective disorder would seem to me to be more likely to be misdiagnosed as bipolar I disorder or major depressive disorer with psychotic features (due to presumption of circumscription of psychosis to major mood episodes) or as schizophrenia (due to overfocus on positive symptoms and inattention to major depressive episodes, which may mimic negative symptomatology) rather than the other way round.

Proposal: update this sentence to no longer include reference to schizophreniform disorder and include a passage which reflects misdiagnosis in both directions, with all claims made clearly cited (and obviously if my presumptions are wrong, particularly the one about schizophreniform disorder, then they shouldn't make it through to an edit!) Anditres (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)